Thx prof.Lusgarten for this another exciting video We can get rid of a lot of oxalate by boiling the vegs during 12 mn and then discarding the water . furthermore, some greens for instance contain less oxalate than others.
Thank you for your effort. Explanations were awesome. But with all due respect, i do not think you fit neatly in the high oxalate group. Your intake is 6 times higher than the highest intake in the study. So the calcium you eat will probably bind to some of that oxalate, but A LOT more will get through to the blood. Any particular reason you did not tackle this in the vid?
It looks like oxalates in parsley are significantly less bioavailable than in spinach.
See study "Effect of dietary oxalate and calcium on urinary oxalate and risk of formation of calcium oxalate kidney stones": "Only eight foods–spinach, rhubarb, beets, nuts, chocolate, tea, wheat bran, and strawberries–caused a significant increase in urinary oxalate excretion. "
The study you talk about in the video says: "The mean intake of dietary Ox in our population was ~ 200 mg/d, and grains-cereal products, spinach, green leafy vegetables, and nuts had more contribution to total Ox intakes. "
So which food is most likely to cause problem? Nuts and whole grain are said to be good for CVD, so I take it the problem must come from the other 3 from spinach and greens. Spinach is likely to be a bad choice, and chosing the right green might be important. Perhaps also people get their their oxalates from unhealthy processed foods.
Calcium + D is important. Just "google" it for specifics. 1200mg is not too much per Johns Hopkins Medicine. Does that solve the problem? What about microwaving vegetables? Does that affect oxalate?
Jesus it never ends. On one hand too much calcium was bad because of excess calcium ending up in our soft tissues and arteries so I figured too much calcium increases CVD risk but now I find out calcium is protective against oxalates so I would say if eating a lot of oxalates consume more calcium but then also make sure you’re getting more vitamin k2 to make sure that extra calcium stays out of your arteries.
This is the first video I've seen that shows a way to overcome dangers of oxalate other than simply avoiding high-ox foods, so thank you! However, do you think, as the title of the research paper suggests, that the ratio of oxalate to calcium intakes should be what you extrapolate to your own data? As in the median for tertile 3 in both oxalate and calcium results in a ratio. Given that your oxalate is significantly higher than the tertile 3 median, you would have a much higher ratio, right? Think increasing calcium (and maybe vitamin K2 to prevent subsequent arterial calcification) would be useful? And/or decreasing oxalate?
Great data, Dr. I avoid spinach specifically because of the oxalate issue – why risk it? I just eat Romain and arugula for my greens. However, I do drink a great deal of carrot juice.
I don’t eat a lot of spinach, beets or carrots so I think I’m good. Beets contain nitrates which I have red can be bad in large amounts. Love the channel. Keep bringing us this great information.
My problem is more that I'm starting to produce some episodes of urinary gravel, oxalate crystals and it's painful when it happens. I don't even eat really a lot of oxalates, I'd say a medium intake.
The carnivore diet movement keeps using the oxalate argument to stop eating plants. It's probably not a coincidence that spinach is fairly high in calcium. Nature already knows how to create the perfect food package and balance everything out. Personally, I eat dried goji berries, chia seeds and canned sardines. All extremely high in calcium. You really don't need dairy for calcium.
high oxalates have been detected I my urine. I am now on a low oxalates diet dumping oxalates like crazy. high oxalates are dangerous causing many issues like tinnitus and heart and neurological issues
Thanks Michael for another very informative video. I think it’s good for me to continue with my multivitamins even though I’m eating more vegetables. I see that my multivitamins contain 250mg of calcium. Btw my blood work came back perfect. RDW was slight low but like you said it is better for that to be on the low side.
Made a long appreciative comment which seems to have disappeared. Thank you Michael I appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos and I am jolly glad for clean research. That a daily level of calcium is high, about a litre of milk does it. Just thinking of traditional/ ordinary menus of my childhood and parents and how my mothers menus ticked the boxes for many issues. Intuitively and balanced. Kids drank milk, milk during meals, after school, raw warm jersey milk delivered each morning by the farmer with horse and cart. Milk desserts, cheese sauces, and hard cheeses after. Dad died at breakfast at 100 plus a day with a piece of brown toast, butter, honey and good aged rat trap cheese in his mouth.
That is a high calcium level, about a litre of milk a day would be good if eating much spinach. It is interesting observing how my mothers meal plans intuitively balanced nutrients, they lived well actively to extreme longevity. We as children drank milk during meals,after school,etc as it was delivered warm each morning, jersey, raw milk by farmer with horse and cart. Thinking how milk desserts and cheese sauces and cheese were used traditionally.Thanks I really appreciate your videos and thank you very much for the time and effort you put in to present this material. I am grateful to find pure results.
Doc, what’s your meat/animal protein intake? I find that my kidney numbers improve on less animal protein, which is consistent with many studies.
Great experience doc, you are a God'sent Dr Ebhariagbe on Youtube, keep up the good work, I am completely free from Herpes
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This is the 1st video I see that says spinach is bad for your health. Poor Popeye!
I ate 7000 mg of D with an all greens keto diet and I ended up with calcified tendons.
Thx prof.Lusgarten for this another exciting video
We can get rid of a lot of oxalate by boiling the vegs during 12 mn and then discarding the water . furthermore, some greens for instance contain less oxalate than others.
It is important to keep high citrate levels in the urine to avoid calcium oxalate stones
What's the #1 decease oxalate causes-if it ever does? From my web search, it's all about kidney stone. Interfering calcium absorption comes second.
I just simply avoid dietary oxalates. The foods high in this #$@% are not worth the potential trouble, for me.
Well I can eat my blue cheese with confidence now 🙂 interesting research.
Thank you for your effort. Explanations were awesome. But with all due respect, i do not think you fit neatly in the high oxalate group. Your intake is 6 times higher than the highest intake in the study. So the calcium you eat will probably bind to some of that oxalate, but A LOT more will get through to the blood. Any particular reason you did not tackle this in the vid?
What calcium foods do you recommend? I eat spinach, beets and carrots too. And assorted nuts. Is yogurt, sour cream or kefir OK?
Have you ever had a calcium artery score test?
It looks like oxalates in parsley are significantly less bioavailable than in spinach.
See study "Effect of dietary oxalate and calcium on urinary oxalate and risk of formation of calcium oxalate kidney stones":
"Only eight foods–spinach, rhubarb, beets, nuts, chocolate, tea, wheat bran, and strawberries–caused a significant increase in urinary oxalate excretion. "
The study you talk about in the video says:
"The mean intake of dietary Ox in our population was ~ 200 mg/d, and grains-cereal products, spinach, green leafy vegetables, and nuts had more contribution to total Ox intakes. "
So which food is most likely to cause problem? Nuts and whole grain are said to be good for CVD, so I take it the problem must come from the other 3 from spinach and greens. Spinach is likely to be a bad choice, and chosing the right green might be important. Perhaps also people get their their oxalates from unhealthy processed foods.
Calcium + D is important. Just "google" it for specifics. 1200mg is not too much per Johns Hopkins Medicine. Does that solve the problem? What about microwaving vegetables? Does that affect oxalate?
Jesus it never ends. On one hand too much calcium was bad because of excess calcium ending up in our soft tissues and arteries so I figured too much calcium increases CVD risk but now I find out calcium is protective against oxalates so I would say if eating a lot of oxalates consume more calcium but then also make sure you’re getting more vitamin k2 to make sure that extra calcium stays out of your arteries.
This is the first video I've seen that shows a way to overcome dangers of oxalate other than simply avoiding high-ox foods, so thank you! However, do you think, as the title of the research paper suggests, that the ratio of oxalate to calcium intakes should be what you extrapolate to your own data? As in the median for tertile 3 in both oxalate and calcium results in a ratio. Given that your oxalate is significantly higher than the tertile 3 median, you would have a much higher ratio, right? Think increasing calcium (and maybe vitamin K2 to prevent subsequent arterial calcification) would be useful? And/or decreasing oxalate?
Great data, Dr. I avoid spinach specifically because of the oxalate issue – why risk it? I just eat Romain and arugula for my greens. However, I do drink a great deal of carrot juice.
I don’t eat a lot of spinach, beets or carrots so I think I’m good. Beets contain nitrates which I have red can be bad in large amounts. Love the channel. Keep bringing us this great information.
My problem is more that I'm starting to produce some episodes of urinary gravel, oxalate crystals and it's painful when it happens. I don't even eat really a lot of oxalates, I'd say a medium intake.
What about oxalobacter?
Hello Michael: 1370 is much larger than 277, maybe a tertiary 4 needs to be included?
The carnivore diet movement keeps using the oxalate argument to stop eating plants. It's probably not a coincidence that spinach is fairly high in calcium. Nature already knows how to create the perfect food package and balance everything out. Personally, I eat dried goji berries, chia seeds and canned sardines. All extremely high in calcium. You really don't need dairy for calcium.
Boiling is a better prep method for reducing oxalates than other cooking or raw methods.
high calcium diet does not have harmful effect too?
high oxalates have been detected I my urine. I am now on a low oxalates diet dumping oxalates like crazy. high oxalates are dangerous causing many issues like tinnitus and heart and neurological issues
Thanks Michael for another very informative video. I think it’s good for me to continue with my multivitamins even though I’m eating more vegetables. I see that my multivitamins contain 250mg of calcium. Btw my blood work came back perfect. RDW was slight low but like you said it is better for that to be on the low side.
Made a long appreciative comment which seems to have disappeared. Thank you Michael I appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos and I am jolly glad for clean research. That a daily level of calcium is high, about a litre of milk does it. Just thinking of traditional/ ordinary menus of my childhood and parents and how my mothers menus ticked the boxes for many issues. Intuitively and balanced. Kids drank milk, milk during meals, after school, raw warm jersey milk delivered each morning by the farmer with horse and cart. Milk desserts, cheese sauces, and hard cheeses after. Dad died at breakfast at 100 plus a day with a piece of brown toast, butter, honey and good aged rat trap cheese in his mouth.
replacing some of the spinach with kale would dodge the oxalate issue almost entirely
That is a high calcium level, about a litre of milk a day would be good if eating much spinach. It is interesting observing how my mothers meal plans intuitively balanced nutrients, they lived well actively to extreme longevity. We as children drank milk during meals,after school,etc as it was delivered warm each morning, jersey, raw milk by farmer with horse and cart. Thinking how milk desserts and cheese sauces and cheese were used traditionally.Thanks I really appreciate your videos and thank you very much for the time and effort you put in to present this material. I am grateful to find pure results.
Looking forward to it!