It’s episode 294 and it’s been 105 degrees in Los Angeles, meaning it’s more important than ever to commit to our wildest …
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Hey Em, I’m glad your surgery went well! I can’t come close to understanding what you are personally going through with your anxiety but I can say DBT therapy might help. It teaches you how to deal with the panic attacks in a healthy way. You of course have to practice it and find a good teacher but I believe it could help a lot. Best wishes loves💕🫶🏻
My theory is that the murder of Beth was a two person job (ofc Vivian w/ a male because of the lovely male fluids that was found on her body), I dont think it was Fergus, If anything he probably knew that Vivian went to go kill Beth bc of her outburst on him, so she knew what she was capable of, and he had his family try to contact Beth because he didnt want to face the reality of what had happened (and he probably couldnt check himself bc he got stabbed multiple times and was recovering lol). Vivians duo probably helped it look like a suicide on Vivian’s part because she was leaving town anyway and never turning back
Plus her Duo could have been that one admirer that knew about the affair and probably teamed up with Vivian and could have been the reason he lied about when he found out about the affair
Em I've had the same issue with anxiety since I had a few episodes of passing out. I am always terrified of "what if it happens again?". Wishing you the best in your recovery. ❤️
Maybe Vivian and Fergus co- conspired to kill Beth in a crime of passion after she gave Fergus the ultimatum? It makes me wonder because they were all lovey dovey at the hospital together, which is so weird and out of character for someone who just stabbed the other. Like she got mad and, after her bout of rage, he agreed to leave Beth or let Vivan "take care" of the situation. Jumping to murder is a bit drastic though. Or Vivan wanted to go talk to Beth, so her and Fergus got there and Vivian went awol again? Idk…I'm seriously trying to wrap head around this and it's going in all different directions 😵💫
I can accept the theory that she walked away. I don't know if she was involved in a murder but it is harmful to assume women can't nope out of parenting at least half as easily as a man could. I remember when some of the people I know were expecting and the women were always told they'd be great moms as soon as they had the baby and they're just being silly. The men were told to go, run, demand a paternity test even though they were married, and in general "If you're not ready, you're not ready so if you're stuck with 'it' just leave and pay for 'it' but don't feel like you have to stick around." Society needs to realize that even to the worst of behavior, anything men can do women can do too. I even knew a guy who got his gf pregnant and begged her to keep it even though she didn't want a child. She agreed to deliver the baby but before everything went to a lawyer and they agreed on custody and child support. Since she didn't want any contact with the child she was to pay $350 a month to the state and they'd pay him. Not 6mo after the child was born he was so enraged that she really meant she didn't want a child that she had to go a restraining order and eventually moved away without telling anyone where she was going. He's beyond angry but from what he says I think he believed a baby would force her to stay with him and now he resents that it didn't work out that way. Also: I don't know why people get upset when they talk about their lives. I actually like to know how they're doing. If it's not your thing skip but I'm interested in how everything is going with everyone.
How the F does Xstine tell stories like this as she guzzles a box of wine! These were great stories! Thank God for Em on this one "Sorry, I was putting the gargoyles down!" 🤣 Comedic Relief
Soooo… rat tails do have fur on them. It's actually covered in short vellous hair which is like the peach fuzz we have on our skin. And hamsters also have a tail it's just shorter so you don't notice them so much but they too have no hair on the tail, just growing around it. I was scared of rats until I held one and realized the tail wasn't really all that gross like I thought. Now I've been a rat parent for over 10 years. 🤷🏻♀️
cbt is usually bad for NDs, can result in medical gaslighting if done bad. DBT and EMDR can help in diff ways, focusing more on factual situational stuff rather than frame of mind and changing your outlook.
Emothy you're just like Tony Stark now with your surgery it's fine his motto is always coasting along on just vibes. If he can do it, so can you. Now go get in a tin can and get a slice of pizza
All my hugs are going out to you today, Em. I had panic disorder and agoraphobia for 7 years and it was something I would not wish on my worst enemy. I'd love to refer you to the psychiatrist who treated me – he's fantastic and based in Encino, so not too far away for you. ❤❤❤
So thoughts on Christine’s story. ferg probably didn’t drive and talk clearly and was out of it because less then 12 hours earlier he got his head smashed and multiple stab wounds so most likely he got extreme pain killers especially since it sounds like he was an outpatient. In terms of Viv she clearly has some sort of trauma about mistresses she already snapped and stabbed her husband so why wouldn’t she kill her husband‘s mistress in my opinion she probably did it to her husband and freaked out and then within a couple hours and she was alone and realized that she could do it again so instead of just disappearing with her children she already snapped so she just snapped again even though apparently that term isn’t correct. Then when she kills the women her original plan to disappear goes sideways so she’s probably flustered and making a lot of mistakes. Most likely when she killed the women she came back for the car with the motorcycle to escape then realized she left her purse inside the house that she probably needed cash out of. God knows my dumb ass would do that
I'm looking forward to the end of the cryptid kick! Somehow cryptid stories always feel silly, made-up, and childish. I much prefer the proper paranormal stories – or aliens, conspiracies, even astrology! Cryptids feel like dumb folklorish old wives tales to me.
Em, have you looked in to gut health? I'm not saying your struggles are caused by unbalanced gut biome but symptoms can be anxiety and/or depression, and a whole host of other things. If you've been on meds for a while you may want to look in to it. Gut health is surprisingly important to our brains.
So, FYI- I learned about paper towns from John Green (who wrote a fiction book called Paper Towns) and he says that paper towns were initially mapmakers marks as a way to tell if someone was copying their maps and he gave the example of Agloe, NY which doesn't really exist except on this one mapmakers map. wild.
Hey Em, I’m glad your surgery went well! I can’t come close to understanding what you are personally going through with your anxiety but I can say DBT therapy might help. It teaches you how to deal with the panic attacks in a healthy way. You of course have to practice it and find a good teacher but I believe it could help a lot. Best wishes loves💕🫶🏻
I have two snakes 😋😋😋
Comet and Sushi
I genuinely LOVE hearing about whats going on in your life! Of corse im here for the ghosts and murder, but im also here for you ! 🐈⬛🐈⬛🐈⬛
My theory is that the murder of Beth was a two person job (ofc Vivian w/ a male because of the lovely male fluids that was found on her body), I dont think it was Fergus, If anything he probably knew that Vivian went to go kill Beth bc of her outburst on him, so she knew what she was capable of, and he had his family try to contact Beth because he didnt want to face the reality of what had happened (and he probably couldnt check himself bc he got stabbed multiple times and was recovering lol). Vivians duo probably helped it look like a suicide on Vivian’s part because she was leaving town anyway and never turning back
Plus her Duo could have been that one admirer that knew about the affair and probably teamed up with Vivian and could have been the reason he lied about when he found out about the affair
Jackalopes are indeed from Wyoming!
Thank you guys so so much for your intro talks! Em talking about their agoraphobia made me feel better about mine! You guys are amazing!!
Em I've had the same issue with anxiety since I had a few episodes of passing out. I am always terrified of "what if it happens again?". Wishing you the best in your recovery. ❤️
Maybe Vivian and Fergus co- conspired to kill Beth in a crime of passion after she gave Fergus the ultimatum? It makes me wonder because they were all lovey dovey at the hospital together, which is so weird and out of character for someone who just stabbed the other. Like she got mad and, after her bout of rage, he agreed to leave Beth or let Vivan "take care" of the situation. Jumping to murder is a bit drastic though. Or Vivan wanted to go talk to Beth, so her and Fergus got there and Vivian went awol again? Idk…I'm seriously trying to wrap head around this and it's going in all different directions 😵💫
I'm listening to this freezing my butt off. It's 41 degrees in East TN.
I can accept the theory that she walked away. I don't know if she was involved in a murder but it is harmful to assume women can't nope out of parenting at least half as easily as a man could. I remember when some of the people I know were expecting and the women were always told they'd be great moms as soon as they had the baby and they're just being silly. The men were told to go, run, demand a paternity test even though they were married, and in general "If you're not ready, you're not ready so if you're stuck with 'it' just leave and pay for 'it' but don't feel like you have to stick around." Society needs to realize that even to the worst of behavior, anything men can do women can do too.
I even knew a guy who got his gf pregnant and begged her to keep it even though she didn't want a child. She agreed to deliver the baby but before everything went to a lawyer and they agreed on custody and child support. Since she didn't want any contact with the child she was to pay $350 a month to the state and they'd pay him. Not 6mo after the child was born he was so enraged that she really meant she didn't want a child that she had to go a restraining order and eventually moved away without telling anyone where she was going. He's beyond angry but from what he says I think he believed a baby would force her to stay with him and now he resents that it didn't work out that way.
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I don't know why people get upset when they talk about their lives. I actually like to know how they're doing. If it's not your thing skip but I'm interested in how everything is going with everyone.
How the F does Xstine tell stories like this as she guzzles a box of wine! These were great stories! Thank God for Em on this one "Sorry, I was putting the gargoyles down!" 🤣 Comedic Relief
a snake with legs… do they mean a lizard?
Soooo… rat tails do have fur on them. It's actually covered in short vellous hair which is like the peach fuzz we have on our skin. And hamsters also have a tail it's just shorter so you don't notice them so much but they too have no hair on the tail, just growing around it. I was scared of rats until I held one and realized the tail wasn't really all that gross like I thought. Now I've been a rat parent for over 10 years. 🤷🏻♀️
“You can just call me Luke”
“…no.”
😂😂😂
cbt is usually bad for NDs, can result in medical gaslighting if done bad. DBT and EMDR can help in diff ways, focusing more on factual situational stuff rather than frame of mind and changing your outlook.
8-11=tween 12=preteen 13-19= teenager with 18-19= "adult" she
Ohio produces the third most amount of astronauts, so they're running from something
"They're always staring and they're always moving, and why" 🤣 I'm weak
Emothy you're just like Tony Stark now with your surgery it's fine his motto is always coasting along on just vibes. If he can do it, so can you. Now go get in a tin can and get a slice of pizza
Christine it's pronounced Mel-burn. Easy peasy ❤️
we love the den theatre <3
All my hugs are going out to you today, Em. I had panic disorder and agoraphobia for 7 years and it was something I would not wish on my worst enemy. I'd love to refer you to the psychiatrist who treated me – he's fantastic and based in Encino, so not too far away for you. ❤❤❤
The Den theatre is in Wicker Park (where I used to live)!! Be sure to walk up and down Milwaukee ave, there’s so many cool shops.
So thoughts on Christine’s story. ferg probably didn’t drive and talk clearly and was out of it because less then 12 hours earlier he got his head smashed and multiple stab wounds so most likely he got extreme pain killers especially since it sounds like he was an outpatient. In terms of Viv she clearly has some sort of trauma about mistresses she already snapped and stabbed her husband so why wouldn’t she kill her husband‘s mistress in my opinion she probably did it to her husband and freaked out and then within a couple hours and she was alone and realized that she could do it again so instead of just disappearing with her children she already snapped so she just snapped again even though apparently that term isn’t correct. Then when she kills the women her original plan to disappear goes sideways so she’s probably flustered and making a lot of mistakes. Most likely when she killed the women she came back for the car with the motorcycle to escape then realized she left her purse inside the house that she probably needed cash out of. God knows my dumb ass would do that
Jackalope is Tx !
I think we all know Leona MUST be Em for Halloween
Not to mention all the astronauts from Ohio! Lol
Im 34 & I have a 15 year old son.. It does make me feel old, lol..
I’m obsessed with the way Em says strawberry
I'm looking forward to the end of the cryptid kick! Somehow cryptid stories always feel silly, made-up, and childish. I much prefer the proper paranormal stories – or aliens, conspiracies, even astrology! Cryptids feel like dumb folklorish old wives tales to me.
Thank you so much for talking about mental health and chronic illness, you both have helped so many of us ❤️
Em, have you looked in to gut health? I'm not saying your struggles are caused by unbalanced gut biome but symptoms can be anxiety and/or depression, and a whole host of other things. If you've been on meds for a while you may want to look in to it. Gut health is surprisingly important to our brains.
So, FYI- I learned about paper towns from John Green (who wrote a fiction book called Paper Towns) and he says that paper towns were initially mapmakers marks as a way to tell if someone was copying their maps and he gave the example of Agloe, NY which doesn't really exist except on this one mapmakers map. wild.
HELLO i’m going zzz but I will be back in the morning!! so excited
It's been a while since i've listened to an episode, but the intro itsself got me feeling all types of nostalgic already!! Missed you guys <3
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