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I hear a LOT of progressives criticize conservatives for having "no platform" but this is either a misunderstanding or even misleading. When you break down any intentional action, there are only 2 realistic states an action exists in; to move or to stop. If the progressive platform is to move, then the conservative platform is to stop.
When your platform is to do things, the only meaningful alternative is to not do things.
Like realistically, what do you think a conservative platform would involve doing that would be meaningfully differently from a progressive platform?
So.. part of the problem is that you need to speak to Americans who aren't white collar professionals. The idea that the economy is doing great hasn't "trickled down" to people outside of the white collar bubble. It's the same thing republicans have done for decades. As long as the easy to measure metrics (stock market, investments, etc…) it's easy to have a victory parade. You can say it's coming, but are the benefits all just going to get swallowed by shareholders before it makes it to the actual working class?
This is what losers look like. January inflation is up 3% from last January where we had record high inflation. You can't lie your way out of this one soy boys.
You can't have a living wage while flooding the labor market with 10 million low skill laborors in just 3 years. You cannot have affordable housing while flooding the housing market with 10 million illegal economic migrants in just 3 years.
The Arrogance of Destiny is what's going to cost us this election (along with the war in the middle east) these snob libs need to sit down and shut up a little bit. Sure those fucks will still get their "middle of the road" fixes that won't amount to anything. But the dismissiveness is going to turn away the "well they don't vote" anyway people. And we cannot afford this in tight swing states like MI or PA.
Destiny’s argument seems a little weird. Home ownership is not the same as housing. The “housing crisis” doesn’t have to do with how many people actually own homes, but that its difficult for people to find and keep housing while maintaining their standard of living. Not only is that 70% statistic misleading by treating the entirety of the US as a single block (for example, something like 50% of millennials own houses) but it obscures the fact that a large part of the housing crisis was specifically due to rent increases. When the price of houses just goes up they don’t call it a crisis they call it a “real-estate boom”.
Even then, it doesn’t matter whether people on twitter have inflated expectations of house ownership or whatever. I think people having stable housing is good and I think us “young people” are a critical block for progressives. So what if home ownership is at traditional levels of ~70% nationally? Is he suggesting that its either not possible or not desirable for more people to have access to affordable housing? In either case I’d argue he’s wrong.
I dunno, it just feels like a lazy bad argument predicated on the idea that something isn’t a problem if it’s been like that for a while.
Saying “the economy is great though” is not really a good counter to someone expressing distress due to economic pressures. Sure a lot of metrics look pretty decent. But it screams the old: “President __ created x jobs!” “Yea, I have two of them”
I’m in a fortunate circumstance with a home and way ahead of a lot of my fellow millennials and after greedflation robbed my entire budgeting cushion it certainly doesn’t feel great having HR reps come in and say “we don’t really give raises here like that”. I’m still in a great position but I certainly still have to adopt new behaviors.
I think the example at the end of “20 years ago you could rent an apartment blah blah” yea that’s blatantly wrong.
However, you can’t ignore that there is a MASSIVE divide between what anyone under ABOUT 55 and those over are feeling. My older friend was saying the line “now inflation is over and the economy looks great, why doesn’t anyone agree?” When he just got a huge raise about the size of someone’s starting salary and the largest bonus of his life. Yea, it sure feels over and everything’s prosperous for him but I’m still feeling pressure from my monthly heating and electric bill doubling a few years ago and barely coming down a small percentage. I didn’t get anything but a standard raise and no bonus, trust me the two economies we are experiencing are VASTLY different.
And again, I’m way luckier and more fortunate than the average. So even what I’m experiencing is vastly different than someone who was saving to buy a house and just saw their neighborhood houses go up 300k and rent increase to eat that. Like I bought a house and just sitting here for four years the value has gone up 300k… wwhhhyyy?! I live here and just have a standard mortgage, it has a shed now? This is insanity! We wouldn’t be able to have afforded this very house we live in today if we had waited just a few months we would have been priced out. This is insanity.
I hear a LOT of progressives criticize conservatives for having "no platform" but this is either a misunderstanding or even misleading. When you break down any intentional action, there are only 2 realistic states an action exists in; to move or to stop. If the progressive platform is to move, then the conservative platform is to stop.
When your platform is to do things, the only meaningful alternative is to not do things.
Like realistically, what do you think a conservative platform would involve doing that would be meaningfully differently from a progressive platform?
So.. part of the problem is that you need to speak to Americans who aren't white collar professionals. The idea that the economy is doing great hasn't "trickled down" to people outside of the white collar bubble. It's the same thing republicans have done for decades. As long as the easy to measure metrics (stock market, investments, etc…) it's easy to have a victory parade. You can say it's coming, but are the benefits all just going to get swallowed by shareholders before it makes it to the actual working class?
This is what losers look like. January inflation is up 3% from last January where we had record high inflation. You can't lie your way out of this one soy boys.
Badempanda stay winning
Policy won't help if your "Leader" is a demented old man
Lying isnt going to cut it any more. The emperor has no clothes and everyone is laughing at him. And you.
First step get rid of idiots like Destiny that think they are helping but are only digging deeper.
You can't have a living wage while flooding the labor market with 10 million low skill laborors in just 3 years.
You cannot have affordable housing while flooding the housing market with 10 million illegal economic migrants in just 3 years.
Hard case to make lol
I was actually just wondering what a bunch losers on a couch were thinking about this election, what a coincidence
The Arrogance of Destiny is what's going to cost us this election (along with the war in the middle east) these snob libs need to sit down and shut up a little bit. Sure those fucks will still get their "middle of the road" fixes that won't amount to anything. But the dismissiveness is going to turn away the "well they don't vote" anyway people. And we cannot afford this in tight swing states like MI or PA.
Destiny’s argument seems a little weird. Home ownership is not the same as housing. The “housing crisis” doesn’t have to do with how many people actually own homes, but that its difficult for people to find and keep housing while maintaining their standard of living. Not only is that 70% statistic misleading by treating the entirety of the US as a single block (for example, something like 50% of millennials own houses) but it obscures the fact that a large part of the housing crisis was specifically due to rent increases. When the price of houses just goes up they don’t call it a crisis they call it a “real-estate boom”.
Even then, it doesn’t matter whether people on twitter have inflated expectations of house ownership or whatever. I think people having stable housing is good and I think us “young people” are a critical block for progressives. So what if home ownership is at traditional levels of ~70% nationally? Is he suggesting that its either not possible or not desirable for more people to have access to affordable housing? In either case I’d argue he’s wrong.
I dunno, it just feels like a lazy bad argument predicated on the idea that something isn’t a problem if it’s been like that for a while.
Saying “the economy is great though” is not really a good counter to someone expressing distress due to economic pressures. Sure a lot of metrics look pretty decent. But it screams the old:
“President __ created x jobs!”
“Yea, I have two of them”
I’m in a fortunate circumstance with a home and way ahead of a lot of my fellow millennials and after greedflation robbed my entire budgeting cushion it certainly doesn’t feel great having HR reps come in and say “we don’t really give raises here like that”. I’m still in a great position but I certainly still have to adopt new behaviors.
I think the example at the end of “20 years ago you could rent an apartment blah blah” yea that’s blatantly wrong.
However, you can’t ignore that there is a MASSIVE divide between what anyone under ABOUT 55 and those over are feeling. My older friend was saying the line “now inflation is over and the economy looks great, why doesn’t anyone agree?” When he just got a huge raise about the size of someone’s starting salary and the largest bonus of his life. Yea, it sure feels over and everything’s prosperous for him but I’m still feeling pressure from my monthly heating and electric bill doubling a few years ago and barely coming down a small percentage. I didn’t get anything but a standard raise and no bonus, trust me the two economies we are experiencing are VASTLY different.
And again, I’m way luckier and more fortunate than the average. So even what I’m experiencing is vastly different than someone who was saving to buy a house and just saw their neighborhood houses go up 300k and rent increase to eat that. Like I bought a house and just sitting here for four years the value has gone up 300k… wwhhhyyy?! I live here and just have a standard mortgage, it has a shed now? This is insanity! We wouldn’t be able to have afforded this very house we live in today if we had waited just a few months we would have been priced out. This is insanity.