Zero Shame | Sacred Symbols: A PlayStation Podcast Episode 223



The Last of Us: Part I is one thing, but ‘remaking’ Horizon? Five years and change after it came out? Give us a break. Tantalizing …

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  1. About the AI talk at the end: There is a fundamental misunderstanding about how this generative AI work, they do NOT copy from the art, the way you and the question talk about it make it seem as if the AI is taking stuff from a database of art then mashing it together, that is not how it works. The AI "learns" what Mickey Mouse "is" and it looks like, it learns what a face is, a whole style, etc. All tha information is stored in what its called a Latent Space, kinda like the brain of the AI, when you ask it to give you a "dog wearing a hat" it know what those things are and how to connect them based on the Latent Space, the model does NOT store any of the original art that it learned from.

  2. Dude, how can Colin sit there with a straight face and call out Phil Spencer when we’ve got someone like Jim Ryan doing his greedy AF act over at Sony.

    This isn’t a fanboy thing. They both have their issues but Phil Spencer brought Xbox back from the brink of extinction. He killed the Kinect and made Xbox give a shit about games again. Have we seen the exclusives yet? No, not really. But consoles are more than that, now more than ever. I use my Xbox WAY more than my PS5 because Game Pass is amazing and, frankly, it’s easier to get into my games quickly.

  3. The “remakes” for PS4 games is a problem for a pretty simply reason: we can put our PS4 discs in our PS5s and they work. Say whatever you want about looks, options, whatever. But they work. There is not one PS1, PS2, or PS3 disc that, if put in my PS5, will work. That should be the minimum bar to clear.

    It’s (and I know this isn’t PC these days but I’m gonna use the term) retarded.

  4. As far as cod goes, the changes they made objectively make the game less fun for the core audience, they are heavily catering to a campy play style and it contradicts what they said they wanted to do. When asked about changes they told everyone they were wrong when it can be proven that the devs are wrong

  5. Colin: Stop telling me that you think I'd like Divinity: Original Sin ll.. I have given you guys no reason to think that. I hate all games that look remotely similar to it. I don't understand why you guys think I'd like that shit! I hate top down rpgs!

    Also Colin: I really should try playing Disco Elysium, I think I'd really like it. I like games that give you choice…

  6. With regards to the ABK deal and Phil Spencer's quote about giving gamers choice is more about which devices (within XBOX eco system) they can play on – PC, A premium console and a budget console, cloud and now the TV app. You said "Put Starfield on PS5 then" that is you reading his message through a Sony Playstation fans lense.

  7. People are still upset about $70 games? PlayStation's has the best games… they have the most high quality studios with the best devs artists and arguably the best console on the market and their best games are also coming to PC later if you have the money to get HW that will match or push beyond PS5 quality, resolution and performance.
    That $10 increase in the games launch proce helps PlayStation keep pace. Unfortunately Xbox still has no games and no one knows why Nintendo struggles to release games for Switch, but that's a highly popular system no less. Bizarrely it is said that Xbox Series S is the top seller for team Green in the console space. I don't understand why Xbox guys are calling PS5 weak when most are saving $100 to buy a much weaker system that can't match PS5's abilities, I mean, other than to be vitriolic fanboys.

    Back to Nintendo and Xbox the former over values its software and HW while the later is literally trying to push the idea that games should be very cheap or free. Many gamers these days the so called Generation Z doesn't care that F2P/P2W strategies are a mess, they don't know anything other than playing games while being perpetually connected online and beholden to forced obsolescence (Overwatch 2 replacing Overwatch anyone). To Gen Z all these problems are all normal! You become a drone attached to a singular GAAS title that isn't all that great, but might provide a nice dopamine hit in the moment while you chase whatever treat it offers your brain.

    PlayStation is testing the waters with F2P/P2W now because everyone else is making bank. I dread this future, but GT7 is an example (and nowhere near as bad as people made it out to be now that I own it as well). While PlayStation's purchase of Bungie might be a sign of pushing GAAS games the reality is these business models probably won't make other publishers much money. PlayStation could make bank on whales… but that's not fun for anyone else. Locking cosmetics and game enhancing upgrades behind paywalls isn't good either. I'm forced to play Fornite as the default character because I just play. Eventually I stopped playing. I'm not going to go for any season pass that doesn't provide anything but cosmetics and don't want to play a game that offers you better stuff only if you doll out real money.

    Free to play (F2P) inevitably always evolves into pay to win (P2W). Microsoft pushes that model with Game Pass and throws so many microtransactions into everything including Forza Horizon 5 which is still fun even without the special stuff, but does require payment for some new things. You can trade real money credits to buy in game goods including that treasure map a staple since at least FH1 on Xbox 360 that goes for $2.99 iIrc. Microsoft has been really pushing microtransactions and GAAS gameplay for over a decade now.

    Nintendo, well I don't know how they don't get any heat for not making games and keeping prices really high. I also don't understand how Colin will argue that games like Metroid: The Other M (or whatever the latest one is called) are worth $60 and games like Horizon Forbidden West are too expensive at $70. The Switch costs $299.99 the Switch Lite is $249.99 and Switch OLED is $349.99 the launch model did see a price drop when the new Switch with the better battery was released but that model was also discontinued nullifying the benefit of the price drop.

  8. Thr major point all 3 are missing when Microsoft says "more game on more platforms" is that he is pushing a game pass app on Playstation. If Microsoft is willing to put a ganepass app on Playstation that has all Mincrosoft games, then Sony will have no argument that Micorsoft is holding games back from Sonys platform. Regulators won't block this deal of Microsoft is willing to allow it on Playstation in some from, which they are trying and Sony is pushing back on.

  9. I really hope GOW 2 doesn't disappoint me like Forbidden West. I loved Zero Dawn, LOVED IT and after 8-9 hours of Forbidden west I had to shut it off and haven't gone back yet. If you're gonna make an open world check list map game, you need the story to be great (which is isnt so far in my play through) and the world has to be so awesome that you want to be in it and don't mind going to all the millions of points on your map. Cyberpunk was an open world check list game, but night city is the coolest world ive been in a while that I didn't mind going all the points on my map because I wanted to explore that world. I felt like Sony made forbidden west so much larger and longer purposely to keep you in the world and make it too big and long to play, instead of making a great experience like they did with Zero Dawn. Aslo the world of Forbidden west, I personally didn't like enough to want to run around and do everything. The world felt blah, bleak (not in a good way), to bright all over to enjoy the open world it made. I am saying all this because I don't want them to make the same mistake with GOW. GOW was my GOTY personally even tho I loved RDR2 as well and I hope Sony doesn't make GOW bigger and longer just for the sake of making it bigger and longer. Having the biggest map and the longest game isn't always the right move and I hope they continue the wonderful experience of GOW2018. It's a day on purchase for my regardless and I can't wait to play it.

    player base. Its the same thing they did with TLOU remake. The playerbase, instead of eating up everything they do, need to stand up and voice their concerns (like you guys are doing here) and stop buying these games. They should add Smart Delivery to their games

  10. The misconception with near automata is that it has 26 endings, it has a five act story structure and it has a short ending per each of the five Acts, ending 6 through 26 are all joke endings like killing yourself certain ways. Near automata has one storyline.

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