Exploring the Yoav Ben-Dov and Jodorowsky versions of the Tarot de Marseille: Ben-Dov’s website: …
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Hi Tom, I am Nova, I have recently discovered your awesome channel and been binge watching 😅Just wanted to say hello, and thank you so much for your informative, fun and entertaining content. I am a big fan of Marseille . Just got your deck and enjoying it so much. Im also in the very beginning process of creating a Marseille deck. and will send you a copy when it's out, as a gift of appreciation for your content. 💙🙏🏻
Hi Tom… I just downloaded your big spreadsheet. Nice work! Super useful! This is an older video of yours; thought you might like to hear your spreadsheet is starting getting use.
I bought the Ben – Dov book and it's really good. Very clear and all in colour. The quality of the book itself too is beautifull and clean – cut with semi – gloss pages.
Jodorowsky makes a very big deal about the significance of the colors… and says these are more faithful to the older hand painted decks, that could not be reproduced by the later printing tecniques used in Convers. He says this color detail is essential to its meaning. Listening to Jodorowsky, he does come across as arrogant and certain things he says in an authoritative manner, actually seem like he pulled them out of his thumb… so different than Ben-Dov that comes across as so generous and sincere and truely smart with a kind of integrity, that is not the first impression with Jodorowsky, for me. But Jodorowsky has a very large following in Latin America… idolized in some ways be some of my south american friends. His story is an interesting one and he has certainly put in his time with the Tarot.
thank you for your sharing dear Tom! love your comments. Suzanne bernardin version of tarot marseille inspired Jodorowsky to add the egg in the papesse. Just to say….cause me too i looked for it in many decks….I actually happened to have a version of the bernardin and you can distinguish a shape, (not an egg thought) behind the papesse. :-)))) I read in an article that this card inspired JOdo for the egg shape.
I found some of Jodorowsky's insights helpful, but at times he comes across as being … dogmatic. And I just cannot agree with the details he decided to add to his cards. In fact I find I appreciate my CBD deck more and more as I use it. I'm awaiting Ben-Dov's book. Based on the excerpts I've read, I feel confident I'll get much more out of it than Jodorowsky's book.
16:05 Yeah like for example, you see the color purple in the jodorowsky-camoin deck. Purple was associated in history with royalty, and the highest level of synergy, I suppose. You can see that there in the justice card, and in the flowers in the hair, on the lovers card that you showed earlier
I am a beginner to tarot, having got my deck last September. I got the cbd deck, since that's the only one available on amazon, but am in the middle of jodorowsky's book. Many years ago, I saw 'the holy mountain.' Have you seen that? I suppose I should read ben-dov's book after finishing jodorowsky's
The ben-dov deck uses less colors, and there are some structural differences. Though I really like the jodorowsky-camoin color scheme, I think simplicity can also be good, which might be what the ben-dov deck goes for. At some point, I'd like both decks, and I do find something mysterious about the jodorowsky-camoin deck. Having said that, the various questions I had asked the bed-dov deck did stimulate thought, which seems to be the goal
In one of jodorowsky's reading videos, he talks about not having much use for the minor arcana. And I don't think I saw him use them at all in his reading videos, that I saw. He wrote about them sort of extensively, however. I think maybe there is more use for them than he thinks
Okay so I have a question- the cbd tarot readily available is sold by US games. It looks like to me that logos are printed on all of the card faces. Can anyone confirm this? Thank you!
Hi, Tom! Question for the TDM expert: Somebody showed me a picture of a Marseile deck that has a very particular color scheme– only brown, a rich brown, marroon I would say, and orange and yellows. I know I have seen it before on YouTube but I can't recall where..does the description ring a bell with you? It's not an oversized deck, regular size, no gilded edges but I don't know what the backs like like. I appreciate your help. Thank you🙏
I like the look of the cards, however for one that reads with these decks and doesn't speak French, how do you distinguish the cards from one another, especially the court cards and some of the major arcana?
Hi. Is the link you provided for the Camoin/Jodorowsky deck still valid? I followed it and came upon a BUY NOW link that led me to another website where I made a purchase on May 13, 2020. I'm hoping they are legit. I just spontaneously bought it without doing too much research
Depuis quelques jours je m’intéresse au tarot sur le plan iconographique et historique, suite à la découverte de la proposition de restitution par Jodorowsky. J’ai donc remonté (Marteau, Conver, Chosson, Madenié, Dodal, Rolichon, Noblet, Viéville…) jusqu’à retrouver l’origine de détails qui m’intriguaient. Cependant, il y en a toujours quelques uns qui me laissent perplexe :
-La boule blanche et bleue sur la robe du pape, entre les disciples. -Le motif au cou de la tempérence. -La couleur jaune d’un des deux liquides versés par l’étoile semble provenir de Rolichon, or l’original était en noir et blanc, et a été colorisé dans les années 90! -Et enfin, l’escalier et la porte sur la maison dieu???
Que dit Jodorowsky dans son livre à propos de ces « détails »? Cite-t-il d’autres tarots, ou anciens moules de cartiers…? Je ne sais pas trop à qui m’adresser, mes recherches sur le net sont toujours infructueuses. Je rappelle que je m’intéresse à l’histoire de l’iconographie, pas aux interprétations psycho-spirituelles. Si vous pouvez me mettre sur la piste, je vous en serais bien reconnaissant !
I actually went from Jodorowsky to Yoav Ben Dov and it was such a relief. I felt defeated by J's pretentious rambling and to go to Ben Dov who is so succinct and down to earth was such a pleasure. thanks for the vid
Wow, man. Just came across your channel. Really thorough, have the jodorowsky deck as well as both books, definitely agree with your points of view. Very much look forward to checking out your other material. Fantastic stuff, thanks!
Could you do a comparison of the CBD and the Millennium Edition? I keep going back and forth on getting the M.E. but I already have the CBD so I can’t make up my mind… LOL I haven’t been able to find a side by side anywhere on here and I think it would be interesting.
Is "Marseille Tarot Revealed" just a reprint of the "Open Reading" book? I have a copy of MTR and don't want to waste money if "Open Reading" is just the same book.
Jodorowsky's The Way of Tarot is a must read imho; Tarot Revelations by Joseph Campbell, to boot. I need a Green Box Marseille . . . 12:29 Always love the long spoon 0/The Fool carries over his shoulder. Dark Age days . . .
Sorry I know this is an older video, but I am just starting to get into Marseille and I found this very helpful. I appreciate your mild…distaste? for some of Jodoroesky's words. He is clearly very knowledgable and has a lot to offer but I found him to be a bit arrogant or elitist and it got up my nose.
I enjoyed this video and especially your treatment of the “professional secret” claimed by Jodorowsky and Camoin. There are parts of Jodorowskys work and reading style that I really love but things he has shared about himself during interviews which make me, as a woman, feel very conflicted about his work.
You truly can feel the love and generosity of spirit in the CBD deck. Having also watched the videos of Yoav Ben-Dov on his website, I really do feel his openness of Spirit. You can just feel that he was a good guy.
Just to confirm, you did say the two books by Ben-Dov are one and the same, right? Thank you so much Tom, for a wonderful comparison of these two decks.
I totally agree with you about the Jodorowsky TdM book and deck. Have you read the book by Jean-Michel David "Reading the Marseille Tarot"….? It's goooood xxx
Sorry but it hurts my ears me when you pronounce "Jodorovsky" . First letter is not "jay" ! His surname in Polish is 'Chodorowski', transcripted to Spanish to "Jodorovsky'" Please listen to this https://translate.google.pl/#en/pl/Chodorowski
This video brings me great relief, Tom! After much deliberation and attempted online comparisons, I recently invested in the Ben Dov deck and book, and also in your own ‘Tarot on Earth’. They should all be arriving imminently! 🤩 This video more than reassures me that I made the right choice…
Excellent video, you very clearly explained and demonstrated the differences and similarities between these two decks. I have both, I just got the CBD Tarot the other day and am very pleased with it, I like the card stock better than the glossiness of the Jodorowsky, though both decks shuffle well. I appreciate your generous videos and will be ordering your book in the near future.
Happy New Year!..The Jodorowsky deck makes me laugh because everyone in it looks so bloody grumpy! Also, WTF is going on with The Star in that deck? Her boobs, navel and whatever the hell that thing on her stomach is makes her torso look like a face. Thank you for this comparison, I'm definitely preferring the Ben-Dov version.
Thank you very much for the walk through. Is the background of the CBD also white? It looks kind of cream-colored or off-white on my laptop, but it might be just the nature of video/screens. — Lauri
Thank you for this comparison. I received the CBD Tarot today and did a comparison with the Jodorowsky TdM. I found the expressions on the figures in the CBD tarot much more agreeable. The people in the Jodorowsky deck looked much more agressive by comparison.
Hi Tom, I am Nova, I have recently discovered your awesome channel and been binge watching 😅Just wanted to say hello, and thank you so much for your informative, fun and entertaining content. I am a big fan of Marseille . Just got your deck and enjoying it so much. Im also in the very beginning process of creating a Marseille deck. and will send you a copy when it's out, as a gift of appreciation for your content. 💙🙏🏻
Hi Tom… I just downloaded your big spreadsheet. Nice work! Super useful! This is an older video of yours; thought you might like to hear your spreadsheet is starting getting use.
I bought the Ben – Dov book and it's really good. Very clear and all in colour. The quality of the book itself too is beautifull and clean – cut with semi – gloss pages.
Jodorowsky makes a very big deal about the significance of the colors… and says these are more faithful to the older hand painted decks, that could not be reproduced by the later printing tecniques used in Convers. He says this color detail is essential to its meaning. Listening to Jodorowsky, he does come across as arrogant and certain things he says in an authoritative manner, actually seem like he pulled them out of his thumb… so different than Ben-Dov that comes across as so generous and sincere and truely smart with a kind of integrity, that is not the first impression with Jodorowsky, for me. But Jodorowsky has a very large following in Latin America… idolized in some ways be some of my south american friends. His story is an interesting one and he has certainly put in his time with the Tarot.
Thanks!❤ could u Tell me about size? are exactly the same size? thank uu! 😊
Doesn't sound to me like you'd even read Jodorovsky's book.
Thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏
Weedborn has some very useful CBD stuff with all the supplementation I need.
thank you for your sharing dear Tom! love your comments. Suzanne bernardin version of tarot marseille inspired Jodorowsky to add the egg in the papesse. Just to say….cause me too i looked for it in many decks….I actually happened to have a version of the bernardin and you can distinguish a shape, (not an egg thought) behind the papesse. :-)))) I read in an article that this card inspired JOdo for the egg shape.
I found some of Jodorowsky's insights helpful, but at times he comes across as being … dogmatic. And I just cannot agree with the details he decided to add to his cards. In fact I find I appreciate my CBD deck more and more as I use it. I'm awaiting Ben-Dov's book. Based on the excerpts I've read, I feel confident I'll get much more out of it than Jodorowsky's book.
16:05 Yeah like for example, you see the color purple in the jodorowsky-camoin deck. Purple was associated in history with royalty, and the highest level of synergy, I suppose. You can see that there in the justice card, and in the flowers in the hair, on the lovers card that you showed earlier
I am a beginner to tarot, having got my deck last September. I got the cbd deck, since that's the only one available on amazon, but am in the middle of jodorowsky's book. Many years ago, I saw 'the holy mountain.' Have you seen that? I suppose I should read ben-dov's book after finishing jodorowsky's
The ben-dov deck uses less colors, and there are some structural differences. Though I really like the jodorowsky-camoin color scheme, I think simplicity can also be good, which might be what the ben-dov deck goes for. At some point, I'd like both decks, and I do find something mysterious about the jodorowsky-camoin deck. Having said that, the various questions I had asked the bed-dov deck did stimulate thought, which seems to be the goal
In one of jodorowsky's reading videos, he talks about not having much use for the minor arcana. And I don't think I saw him use them at all in his reading videos, that I saw. He wrote about them sort of extensively, however. I think maybe there is more use for them than he thinks
Rider-Waiting best word of the year!
Excellent video, but for the love of god, stop saying "um"!
O taro de Jodorowsky tem as cores vivas . Compare com o taro Millennium também .
outstanding….big thanks
Okay so I have a question- the cbd tarot readily available is sold by US games. It looks like to me that logos are printed on all of the card faces. Can anyone confirm this? Thank you!
I LOVE your sweater
Hi, Tom! Question for the TDM expert: Somebody showed me a picture of a Marseile deck that has a very particular color scheme– only brown, a rich brown, marroon I would say, and orange and yellows. I know I have seen it before on YouTube but I can't recall where..does the description ring a bell with you? It's not an oversized deck, regular size, no gilded edges but I don't know what the backs like like. I appreciate your help. Thank you🙏
I like the look of the cards, however for one that reads with these decks and doesn't speak French, how do you distinguish the cards from one another, especially the court cards and some of the major arcana?
I loved your video! Thanks a lot!
Great video btw!
Hi. Is the link you provided for the Camoin/Jodorowsky deck still valid? I followed it and came upon a BUY NOW link that led me to another website where I made a purchase on May 13, 2020. I'm hoping they are legit. I just spontaneously bought it without doing too much research
Salut à vous !
Depuis quelques jours je m’intéresse au tarot sur le plan iconographique et historique, suite à la découverte de la proposition de restitution par Jodorowsky. J’ai donc remonté (Marteau, Conver, Chosson, Madenié, Dodal, Rolichon, Noblet, Viéville…) jusqu’à retrouver l’origine de détails qui m’intriguaient. Cependant, il y en a toujours quelques uns qui me laissent perplexe :
-La boule blanche et bleue sur la robe du pape, entre les disciples.
-Le motif au cou de la tempérence.
-La couleur jaune d’un des deux liquides versés par l’étoile semble provenir de Rolichon, or l’original était en noir et blanc, et a été colorisé dans les années 90!
-Et enfin, l’escalier et la porte sur la maison dieu???
Que dit Jodorowsky dans son livre à propos de ces « détails »? Cite-t-il d’autres tarots, ou anciens moules de cartiers…? Je ne sais pas trop à qui m’adresser, mes recherches sur le net sont toujours infructueuses. Je rappelle que je m’intéresse à l’histoire de l’iconographie, pas aux interprétations psycho-spirituelles. Si vous pouvez me mettre sur la piste, je vous en serais bien reconnaissant !
Bravo et Merci pour votre travail.
What? You wrote a book?! What is the name of it? Do Tell Please.
This is your best video.More biking videos pleeeeze.
nice sweater.
I actually went from Jodorowsky to Yoav Ben Dov and it was such a relief. I felt defeated by J's pretentious rambling and to go to Ben Dov who is so succinct and down to earth was such a pleasure. thanks for the vid
Wow, man. Just came across your channel. Really thorough, have the jodorowsky deck as well as both books, definitely agree with your points of view. Very much look forward to checking out your other material. Fantastic stuff, thanks!
Could you do a comparison of the CBD and the Millennium Edition? I keep going back and forth on getting the M.E. but I already have the CBD so I can’t make up my mind… LOL I haven’t been able to find a side by side anywhere on here and I think it would be interesting.
Very interesting video, thanks for sharing your insights.
Hello 😀 and which one is in your opinion more good for shuffle? I mean for being use for readings? 🤷🏽♂️
Is "Marseille Tarot Revealed" just a reprint of the "Open Reading" book? I have a copy of MTR and don't want to waste money if "Open Reading" is just the same book.
Jodorowsky's The Way of Tarot is a must read imho; Tarot Revelations by Joseph Campbell, to boot. I need a Green Box Marseille . . . 12:29 Always love the long spoon 0/The Fool carries over his shoulder. Dark Age days . . .
Thanks for the comparison. Very nicely and simple. Did you realized how many Um’s you say in this video. 😂
I have never noticed those bells on the Fools coat…Im shocked!
Sorry I know this is an older video, but I am just starting to get into Marseille and I found this very helpful. I appreciate your mild…distaste? for some of Jodoroesky's words. He is clearly very knowledgable and has a lot to offer but I found him to be a bit arrogant or elitist and it got up my nose.
I enjoyed this video and especially your treatment of the “professional secret” claimed by Jodorowsky and Camoin. There are parts of Jodorowskys work and reading style that I really love but things he has shared about himself during interviews which make me, as a woman, feel very conflicted about his work.
You truly can feel the love and generosity of spirit in the CBD deck. Having also watched the videos of Yoav Ben-Dov on his website, I really do feel his openness of Spirit. You can just feel that he was a good guy.
Just to confirm, you did say the two books by Ben-Dov are one and the same, right? Thank you so much Tom, for a wonderful comparison of these two decks.
Thanks for the Video! I watched it the whole way through so that should give you some good Watch Time! 👍
I totally agree with you about the Jodorowsky TdM book and deck.
Have you read the book by Jean-Michel David "Reading the Marseille Tarot"….? It's goooood xxx
Sorry but it hurts my ears me when you pronounce "Jodorovsky" . First letter is not "jay" ! His surname in Polish is 'Chodorowski', transcripted to Spanish to "Jodorovsky'" Please listen to this https://translate.google.pl/#en/pl/Chodorowski
Thank you for this comparison. What it reveals (and does not reveal) tells me what I needed to know.
This video brings me great relief, Tom! After much deliberation and attempted online comparisons, I recently invested in the Ben Dov deck and book, and also in your own ‘Tarot on Earth’. They should all be arriving imminently! 🤩
This video more than reassures me that I made the right choice…
Thank you so much. Thought I was a cranky lonely wench for being, shall we say, not a fan of J…yaaaay. Thanks.
Excellent video, you very clearly explained and demonstrated the differences and similarities between these two decks. I have both, I just got the CBD Tarot the other day and am very pleased with it, I like the card stock better than the glossiness of the Jodorowsky, though both decks shuffle well. I appreciate your generous videos and will be ordering your book in the near future.
Happy New Year!..The Jodorowsky deck makes me laugh because everyone in it looks so bloody grumpy! Also, WTF is going on with The Star in that deck? Her boobs, navel and whatever the hell that thing on her stomach is makes her torso look like a face. Thank you for this comparison, I'm definitely preferring the Ben-Dov version.
Thank you very much for the walk through. Is the background of the CBD also white? It looks kind of cream-colored or off-white on my laptop, but it might be just the nature of video/screens. — Lauri
Thank you for this comparison. I received the CBD Tarot today and did a comparison with the Jodorowsky TdM. I found the expressions on the figures in the CBD tarot much more agreeable. The people in the Jodorowsky deck looked much more agressive by comparison.